Burn Fat With Your Brain

[00:00:00] [00:00:10] Hello,

[00:00:15] Maggie: everybody, and welcome to the last episode of the Burn Fat With Your Brain podcast.

[00:00:19] Wow.

[00:00:19] Maggie: [00:00:20] It's been a long day, and the last episode of the year of 2024.

[00:00:25] Ryan: Okay.

[00:00:25] Maggie: We did it. We made it guys. Somehow we made it. And the holidays [00:00:30] are Not quite over yet, huh? It's the 28th. No, it's the 27th. Yeah, it's the 27th. So we still got New Year's

[00:00:37] Ryan: Yeah, the holidays are lingering

[00:00:39] Maggie: They are.

[00:00:39] Maggie: [00:00:40] They're lingering. But Christmas is behind us, and there's a couple more days left of the new year. I was checking in with Vibe Club and the WhatsApp group, and I checked with them [00:00:50] on the 26th, so the day after Christmas, just to be like, hey! Check in with yourself. Do a little check in. Maybe you still have a bunch of, maybe you guys have a bunch more holidays to go.

[00:00:56] Maggie: Maybe you don't. Maybe you're like, okay, the way our holiday [00:01:00] works normally, because I tend to like, like I just a nice little tiny family Christmas, like just with our immediate family. And I do. I mean, we have never really talked about it. Me and Ryan, but like, it's just [00:01:10] what I enjoy. But after that's done and I get my ham Cut up, you know, for the year of soups after that Christmas ham is made.

[00:01:17] Maggie: I'm like, all right enough is enough. You know what I mean? [00:01:20] Yep, and So check in with yourself. And what do I mean by enough is enough? When I tell you guys I'm not going to argue with you about the types of food that you eat there are times of year where the type [00:01:30] of food you eat is so concentrated into a short period of time where like I would never eat this many cookies.

[00:01:35] Ryan: Yeah, for me, it's cookies.

[00:01:36] Maggie: Does that mean that I've been like eating like an ungodly amount of [00:01:40] cookies? No, but it doesn't matter if I eat cookies every day. Especially these beautiful brown butter with the heath and you know, these are not like your basic. These aren't freaking Oreos. If I eat [00:01:50] them every day, at least I've been having like at least one every day.

[00:01:53] Maggie: I'm like, huh, this is not my favorite way to feel.

[00:01:56] Ryan: I've been having at least eight a day.

[00:01:58] Maggie: Yeah. So Ryan has been, [00:02:00] has had his hands in the cookie jar a little bit. Yeah. You just a little cookie monster over there. I woke up

[00:02:03] Ryan: today pretty tired. Pretty done. Pretty done with it.

[00:02:06] Maggie: Yeah. But I mean, even that's good sometimes.

[00:02:09] Maggie: Sometimes you're just [00:02:10] like, yeah, this is not my favorite way to feel. And sometimes you're like, yeah, this stops today. And that's how he woke up. He showed me his app, his little Vibe Club planner app, , that the plan was made. And [00:02:20] does the plan have cookies on it today?

[00:02:21] Ryan: Doesn't

[00:02:22] Maggie: see now. I feel like that may be an overcorrection, right?

[00:02:24] Maggie: Because we're going from eight cookies to none But we'll keep you guys updated Unless you know how it works out because he when he [00:02:30] told me what his plan was today I was like that sounds a bit like an overcorrection But

[00:02:34] Ryan: the point is is I look at my plan and i'm I feel good about it

[00:02:37] Maggie: That's good. I

[00:02:37] Ryan: do

[00:02:37] Ryan: Question, what do you, how do you vibe check on [00:02:40] the WhatsApp group? How do you feel about it so far?

[00:02:41] Maggie: You know, I like it a lot for what it's for, and I'm also bugged at WhatsApp for a myriad of different reasons. They need To make some [00:02:50] changes. Okay, well, we're, we're trying to get to the bottom of it. I'm really, really hoping it doesn't get to a point where we can't actually use it.

[00:02:56] Because

[00:02:56] Maggie: for the way we have to use it in our business of people coming into Vibe Club, leaving, I [00:03:00] have so many people come back and it's, we're finding out that after you remove somebody, like we can't put them back. And so I'm waiting to hear from WhatsApp support, but there's been a couple things where we're like, what is going on?

[00:03:09] Maggie: But [00:03:10] aside from the technical support issues I'm having, , it's been amazing. And what's surprising to me is that there have been multiple people say, actually, I am going to keep the notifications on because we're adults. We get to [00:03:20] decide what Our notification present preferences are people are like, no, I actually like the notifications because it's keeping me checked into vibe club.

[00:03:26] Maggie: Because what I've said over and over is a lot of the time in this process, [00:03:30] we're like in our own brain and like we're having our own day and it feels like our world is the only world that exists. And it feels like our problems are the only problems that exist and our issues with food and our weight are [00:03:40] the only problems that exist.

[00:03:41] Maggie: That's not true. And this WhatsApp group proves it because, , throughout the day, Sometimes it'll be more busy than other times, but like there are just things sprinkled out of people having wins, people [00:03:50] struggling, people needing support, people sharing something, and it helps you be like, oh, hey, I'm doing this thing.

[00:03:56] Maggie: This is something I'm actively doing. Carrying about and doing.

[00:03:58] Ryan: Yeah, I think it's working [00:04:00] really well. We started with one single group as a single channel, but then we converted it into a community. So there's many channels now. What are the channels? there's four channels, four channels. I

[00:04:08] Maggie: don't want to overdo it, but there is an [00:04:10] accountability channel, there is a questions and support channel.

[00:04:12] Maggie: There is a wins and results channel and there is a chit chat channel. Chit chat is the one that it's like. I don't want people to be afraid to [00:04:20] like, drop a meme, or to have a conversation, or to share the ham. What did I make yesterday? Because someone introduced me to like, the homemade ham glaze. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll use that instead [00:04:30] of the bag.

[00:04:30] Maggie: Like, things like that where it's more conversational. , and then the other ones are more specific. I don't want there to be 16 different channels where everyone's like, oh, where do I post stuff? And it doesn't matter if you post stuff in the wrong group. It just, [00:04:40] it helps to keep things a little more categorized.

[00:04:42] Maggie: And it's just been really easy to kind of like notice the common conversations that are happening. And then, you know, the coaches, like we're able to make voice notes, we're [00:04:50] able to make videos addressing things and keep them in a place that people won't miss them. I'm finding I can do that in the announcements tab.

[00:04:57] Maggie: So

[00:04:57] Ryan: you posted a video today in the announcements tab that was kind of like a [00:05:00] five minute mini podcast, right? Yeah.

[00:05:01] Maggie: Yeah. And obviously you see how I talked about that for 15 seconds here, but it was five minutes in the WhatsApp group because it's just, it's just different.

[00:05:09] Ryan: [00:05:10] So if you're in Vibe Club and you're not, haven't joined that group yet.

[00:05:12] Maggie: Get into it for sure. Join all the groups and then decide afterward what you want your notification preferences to be. If you're like, I do not want to be on [00:05:20] this thing very much, you just silence the chit chat one. And then you can work on

[00:05:24] Ryan: your other, you can mute whatever channels you want, but if you're in vibe club, you need to log into the web portal and it's [00:05:30] on the start here page.

[00:05:30] Ryan: There's a link to get into the group on the, on the start here page in the web portal.

[00:05:34] Maggie: But that's going to be a really big part. And I promise you guys, we will get into today's episode, but that's going to be a very big part of the [00:05:40] challenge that we are, Starting on January 1st now, I want to say really quick for those of you who are listening to this on January 3rd We're not going to be closing it on the 1st Do you know the [00:05:50] date that we're gonna we're gonna be keeping it open through that whole first week of January something

[00:05:53] Ryan: like that?

[00:05:53] Maggie: So don't feel like you need to need okay And I know some of you will be like I needed to join on the first because there's 31. No, no We are going to be running [00:06:00] a challenge that's going to help you the the biggest thing it's going to have is that added daily accountability, which It's going to be more than what is normal.

[00:06:08] Maggie: , checking in with the planning. It's going to be [00:06:10] focusing on the very first thing that I teach, which is planning as, as well as Evaluating that plan and figuring out what's going on, why you're overeating, all of that. So this is going to be great for any of you who [00:06:20] are using the Ditch Your Diet app and have been doing the best you can on your own, or those of you who haven't even had any experience with the app that are like, okay, I guess she keeps saying make a plan.

[00:06:29] Maggie: What does that mean? [00:06:30] How do I do that? How do I do it well? How do I follow it? How do I know I'm not making it with a bunch of diet rules? How do I do it the right way? How do I do it in a way that doesn't feel like another diet? , [00:06:40] that's what you're going to be learning. And that's what we're going to be focusing on.

[00:06:42] Maggie: Because I find that there's never been a challenge where people have not been like, Wow, this was so helpful for keeping me on track. Just [00:06:50] knowing. that there's the check ins and there's the accountability and there's the troubleshooting and there's the coaching and WhatsApp is just gonna allow us to do it so much better than we've ever done it before.

[00:06:58] Maggie: I can guarantee you [00:07:00] that because before we were just doing it in a Facebook group and people would check in and stuff and this is just gonna be different.

[00:07:05] Ryan: I feel like there's also like kind of two tracks too for this challenge. There's going to be new people who are getting their [00:07:10] foundations, which is like that metric is like you're going to want to try and And then there's people who are existing and who have that down and I think really the goal for them [00:07:20] is to follow that plan as much as you can in January.

[00:07:22] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:07:22] Ryan: And if not, like, figure out why. .

[00:07:24] Maggie: For sure. My goal is that people figure out , how they can coach themselves. So you hear [00:07:30] the coaching, you watch the coaching, there's a ton of coaching going on in Vibe Club. But you also have to be able to find your own answers because you're not going to be in Vibe Club for the next 25 years of your life.

[00:07:39] Maggie: I mean, you [00:07:40] can be if you want to be, but. You need to be able to be making a plan and seeing where it's going wrong, seeing why you don't want to follow it, why it feels too restrictive, because [00:07:50] that's common. People will make plans and they never want to follow them. And we have to get to the bottom of

[00:07:54] Ryan: You do a lot of coaching around that.

[00:07:55] Maggie: I have a ton of coaching around it.

[00:07:56] Ryan: At first, it's hard to self coach and it's It's [00:08:00] impossible. Yeah. How could you? You know, so

[00:08:02] Maggie: But, but that's the whole point of the app. Yeah. And, and everything in it is so that you get to a point where you can figure out Why is this working? [00:08:10] Or why is this not working?

[00:08:11] Maggie: How do I make it easier? How do I make it juicier? How do I make it so this is effortless to follow? How do I make it so I'm excited about my plan? How do I make it so the follow through is effortless? But, [00:08:20] In order to do that, there has to be a plan that exists. And there has to be days where you follow it and there has to be days where you don't follow it.

[00:08:25] Maggie: We don't learn very much on the days that we follow our plan perfectly other than seems like there's nothing to [00:08:30] change. So allow us to support you in that. And this goes for people who are brand new to Vibe Club, it goes for people who have been using the Ditch Your Diet app, and it goes for members who have been in for 12 [00:08:40] months who are have not been consistently planning.

[00:08:41] Maggie: That's The reason why we focus on this is just because it gives you, especially at the first of the year, it gives you this, this contained focus where this is what everyone's [00:08:50] focusing on and you have the accountability and you have a focus that doesn't feel too big. It's not 75 hard. It's not seven things.

[00:08:57] Maggie: And if you mess one up, you start over and you feel like [00:09:00] shit, that's not what this is, but it is. It is. Contained in a way that allows you to get that footing and gives you the structure that a lot of people do crave this time of year, where they're like, no, I need to know what [00:09:10] it is. What are we doing? I don't want to just like try and figure it out on my own.

[00:09:14] Ryan: It's really meant to be kind of a gentle structure

[00:09:16] Maggie: always. But it gives you a focus to be like, because if you can make the [00:09:20] commitment that you're really going to do your best . To try to plan as often as you can to ask questions when you hit roadblocks to get coached to do those evaluations to [00:09:30] it.

[00:09:30] Maggie: It's going to give you the foundation that you need and that's a really good foundation to set. And I'm talking about it all the time and I'm talking to all the time with clients. Set it in January. Set it in [00:09:40] January because the holidays are coming back around in another year and how you experience the holidays.

[00:09:46] Maggie: It's going to be based on what you do starting now, and it [00:09:50] matters. And that's what's hard. Sometimes I have people join in, let's say they join in May and they're like, I have a vacation next week. And I'm like, okay, so we can do the best that we can with this vacation, but [00:10:00] ultimately We're gonna have to see how it goes on your next vacation.

[00:10:03] Maggie: This vacation is going to be a really good learning experience for you, but you'll talk to me next summer after you've, you know, really embodied this [00:10:10] because you don't just know how to do something because you watched a couple lessons about how to do it.

[00:10:15] Ryan: Yeah, you're right. Vacations are kind of a bad way to learn how to do stuff.

[00:10:18] Ryan: It always happens. Like someone will

[00:10:19] Maggie: join [00:10:20] and they'll be like, I have a holiday party next week. And I'm like, okay, so we're going to learn how you behave at holiday parties. Yeah. Try your best to listen to your body, make a plan, like everything I teach, but it's very [00:10:30] different going into that. You know, with experience.

[00:10:33] Maggie: And we also know that this time of year is just the time where like you're gonna start getting hit with the ads. People are starting beef and butter fasts, okay? [00:10:40] I love, I love being marked safe from starting a beef and butter fast on the first of the year. Okay, I love being marked safe from not starting 75 hard.

[00:10:48] Maggie: I love being marked [00:10:50] safe from not starting a diet on the first of the year, but that doesn't mean you're not going to get bombarded with supplements and magical drinks and special plans that are going to make you feel like they've got some special thing [00:11:00] wrapped up that it's like, all your problems are going to go away.

[00:11:02] Ryan: It's so fascinating because I was, I was asking Maggie, why, why are there protein shakes available at Costco? They're never available.

[00:11:09] Maggie: And I said, because it's [00:11:10] December 15th. Nobody's buying them,

[00:11:12] Ryan: dude. And

[00:11:13] Maggie: So come January, you're going to have to get on a waiting list to,

[00:11:15] Ryan: we better go stock up. So it's so crazy how cyclical it is, like the [00:11:20] people's habits.

[00:11:21] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:11:21] Ryan: You know,

[00:11:22] Maggie: But I mean, along those same lines coming from the WhatsApp group, I got a message last night from one of my clients. And here's what she had to say, because I want you guys to know what's possible for [00:11:30] you. And I know it seems absolutely freaking insane on December 27th or whenever you're listening.

[00:11:34] Maggie: Oh, I wonder how next holidays are going to go, but it matters. It does matter. Okay. So [00:11:40] this is what she said. She said, my Facebook feed has had a bunch of ads this week for Bright Line Eating, which is, you know, one of those other programs. She said, I'm so grateful over the past year, I was brave [00:11:50] enough to drop the diet rules and enjoy the hell out of the apple pie that I made and all the other Christmas foods I used to either make a bastardized keto version of.

[00:11:58] Maggie: Relatable. Or I [00:12:00] let myself have three bites and prayed I'd be able to quit eating sugar again after Christmas. That's just such a common experience for people to have. You know, it's like, God [00:12:10] forbid we just like live as like normal humans over a holiday period. And I say this to you guys every year starting in September.

[00:12:16] Maggie: Maybe, maybe beginning of October, where I tell [00:12:20] people like, I promise you that you could have a different experience. I promise you that the holidays don't have to be the way that they've always been, and you don't have to restart at the new year and you can feel [00:12:30] successful. And when I checked in with all my clients this morning and I kind of said like, what's the vibe check here?

[00:12:35] Maggie: The vibe check was great. It wasn't like, there's going to be a combination, right? Of people that are [00:12:40] like, I've done things completely different and things like I lost weight. I didn't overeat. And then there's going to be a lot of people who are like, you know, I overeat a couple times and like, didn't show [00:12:50] up a hundred percent how I wanted, but overall I'm feeling good.

[00:12:52] Maggie: Like, I feel like that was a majority of it. And I'm like, some of you, I don't think you realize how big of a win that is because for most of us, we gain 10 pounds over the [00:13:00] holidays. So it's like, that's a huge win. And completely normal. I would be shocked if people were like, I got through the whole holiday season without ever overeating once.

[00:13:08] Maggie: But you could have a [00:13:10] completely different experience where you don't feel like, Oh my God, I need to overhaul something today, now. This is a mess. And like, like she had said, praying, like [00:13:20] I'll have a couple of bites and I pray I'm strong enough to, to quit sugar in the new year again with all those dieting rules of like the diet starts at the beginning of the year or so.

[00:13:28] Ryan: So if [00:13:30] you're feeling like that. But again, coming into January, I just want to say like, you should feel like annoyed with that, that habit and that pattern that you're creating

[00:13:38] Maggie: in the

[00:13:39] Ryan: beginning of New [00:13:40] Year.

[00:13:40] Maggie: And commit to not ever experiencing it again.

[00:13:42] Ryan: You were telling me this earlier, what you do the entire year will determine your experience that you have with New Year's in a year from now.

[00:13:49] Ryan: I don't ever feel [00:13:50] like I have to rehaul anything on January 1st, the past three years, four years probably. Mm hmm. And that's so And

[00:13:56] Maggie: before that it was always. It was

[00:13:58] Ryan: always.

[00:13:58] Maggie: Carnivores. We're just gonna do [00:14:00] carnivore for like, you know, a month or something like. Yeah. And

[00:14:02] Ryan: it's just Which never worked out, by the way.

[00:14:04] Ryan: It's just so toxic. So like maybe this year you can actually learn to implement [00:14:10] some things that stick for, you

[00:14:11] Maggie: Ever.

[00:14:12] Ryan: Forever. A lifestyle.

[00:14:13] Maggie: Yeah. Well, and keep in mind. Doing diets. It's not just holidays. I know you guys don't want to hear it and I sound crazy, but I've been doing this [00:14:20] for five years now.

[00:14:21] Maggie: Summer is, is in six months. I can tell you the type of summer that you're going to have based on what you start doing, like now. , it's six months away, five months away.

[00:14:29] Ryan: Holidays [00:14:30] is just the label. We put on it. But really what it is, is it's circumstances that puts you out of your routine.

[00:14:36] Maggie: Totally. You're traveling. And they

[00:14:37] Ryan: happen all year.

[00:14:39] Maggie: [00:14:40] Work. Yeah. The, the summer. Yeah. It's just going to be those times where you're like, I don't have all of my comfort things. Cause that's what some of you guys do. You really build up this like fake dollhouse around [00:14:50] you where you're like, No, I don't have a problem with that.

[00:14:52] Maggie: But like, you would if it was in front of you, you just keep it away from you. So we build up this, this idea that we're safer [00:15:00] than we are. And when I say safer, it's like, well, I don't have to deal with that dangerous food because I just, I don't ever have it in the house. And then what does it take? It takes a vacation where there's an Airbnb that someone else [00:15:10] rented that you're showing up to.

[00:15:11] Maggie: Your in laws are hosting you. You have no control over who's stocking that fridge. There's shit everywhere. And those are the moments that show you the work that you did over the year. That's it. [00:15:20] There's those are the moments I don't really give a fuck what how things are going when you're just in your house and you're like, Oh, things are going great.

[00:15:28] Maggie: I have a ton of foods. I never [00:15:30] let myself eat. But honestly, my cravings are so much less when they're not in the house. It's like, yeah, but the work is not being done on those foods, which again, if that's how you want to live your life, that's fine, but there [00:15:40] will come a time and point. where you are around those foods again.

[00:15:43] Maggie: It's going to be a trip. It's going to be a holiday. It's going to be a work event. It's going to be something where you're staying with [00:15:50] somebody and that's going to show the progress that you've made. You don't get to see the progress you've made when you are only stocking your food with appropriate diet [00:16:00] weight loss foods

[00:16:00] Ryan: when you're in your ideal routine.

[00:16:02] Maggie: Yeah. And then just telling yourself like, that's just how I like to live. You know, I'm fine with that, but make sure that it includes your real life. Otherwise, [00:16:10] those moments are going to be a lot more impactful and make you feel you, you, you get this illusion that you're so in control. you will never feel more out of control than when you are put in one of those [00:16:20] circumstances.

[00:16:20] Maggie: And you're like, wait, I thought I had that. That's where I see people's identity gets shaken. Like they're all of a sudden they're like, I am completely, I'm a monster. [00:16:30] What am I doing? I can't stop. I, it just, it's so out of, what is that called? Like where you're just out of not integrity, but like, it just is not what you're used to.

[00:16:39] Maggie: [00:16:40] So it, it's just, It doesn't seem right, but it shows you that the work hasn't actually been done. You've just done a really good job at avoiding those types of food and those types of experiences. [00:16:50]

[00:16:50] Ryan: And that's what I think every single diet under the sun misses the mark on. Yeah. They don't teach you how to deal with circumstances that are out of your normal routine.

[00:16:59] Maggie: , I don't know [00:17:00] if I want to say beyond that or even less than that, life in general.

[00:17:03] Yeah.

[00:17:04] Maggie: Because it's not just all the things we already mentioned. It's anniversaries, it's birthdays, [00:17:10] it's date nights. I mean, it's, it's everything. If we just lay it out on the table, it's foods that you've been taught and conditioned your entire life to [00:17:20] believe are bad foods.

[00:17:21] Yeah.

[00:17:21] Maggie: Bad for you, bad for weight loss, great for gaining weight, foods that make you fat. That's what it is.

[00:17:28] Ryan: Yeah, I think it's funny when you told your [00:17:30] dad that I was eating one cinnamon roll a night.

[00:17:31] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:17:32] Ryan: And he was like, oh, that's a problem for somebody health conscious like Ryan. I'm like, I can make an argument that that is health conscious.

[00:17:37] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:17:37] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:17:38] Ryan: Eating one a night.

[00:17:38] Maggie: But I mean, my dad's [00:17:40] 70. So it's like you, people have gone their entire lives being like, you couldn't possibly be health conscious and eat a cinnamon roll every night for like, what has it been now? Yeah. Seven [00:17:50] weeks. Six weeks. Yeah.

[00:17:52] Ryan: And then I would say, I challenge you to eat one cinnamon roll.

[00:17:54] Ryan: Just one.

[00:17:55] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:17:55] Ryan: Even though there's, there's 10 on the, on the counter. Yeah. Eat just one.

[00:17:58] Maggie: Yeah. That's, that food [00:18:00] habituation can be a very important, which we haven't talked about a ton this year, but there for sure is an episode last year where it's like, it's the normalizing of those foods. Yeah. To think that you're [00:18:10] so healthy because you never eat a cinnamon roll, but when you're allowed to eat cinnamon rolls because they're there, you eat five.

[00:18:15] Maggie: I would argue that that would be the unhealthy, not even like just diet, not even just [00:18:20] body wise because you're going to feel fucking terrible, but like mentally wise, it has you feeling bad. so out of control. And so when we talked last week about the whole food noise aspect of it, you guys have no idea [00:18:30] how much the food noise is there because you're like, I can't have that food.

[00:18:33] Maggie: Oh no, it's here. I, and then we eat so much of it. And what does that do? It just further reinforces [00:18:40] dangerous food, food that makes me feel awful. You had five. So I don't think it is the food that makes you feel awful if we're not taking into account the overeating, but then they say, yeah, but I can't [00:18:50] stop the overeating.

[00:18:51] Maggie: I'm out of control with the overeating. Yeah, because you've never tried to. Not. overeat it. And I know people are going to push back on me on that, right? What do you mean? I've spent my [00:19:00] whole life trying to not overeat it. I think we have different views of, of the way that that looks because trying to not overeat food, , it's not easy at all.

[00:19:08] Maggie: It's not something that [00:19:10] is simple. I have to have my clients eat these foods at a table, sitting down without a phone, without a TV, not standing up , at the Island or not, not snacking out [00:19:20] of the pantry. It is not easy. to practice not overeating these foods.

[00:19:24] Ryan: That's for a beginner though, so you can set boundaries.

[00:19:27] Ryan: So that they can learn, oh, I can actually do it.

[00:19:29] Maggie: [00:19:30] Yeah, well, and it's to, and we can do a podcast further on this in the future, but it's about re redeveloping your relationship with these foods. I think the [00:19:40] relationship with them is so toxic, just imagine me trying to have a relationship with you, Ryan, and all my thoughts about you are that you're awful.

[00:19:48] Maggie: Yeah. And you're disgusting and [00:19:50] you're bad for me. And assuming this is not a toxic relationship, these are just literally my thoughts about you. And I'm like, I don't know why I can't leave him or what, like, do you guys get what I'm trying to say? The [00:20:00] relationship is so toxic that you don't realize it's the, we've got to look at the thinking about it and figure out, is this actually a toxic issue or is it my [00:20:10] thinking about it?

[00:20:10] Maggie: Does that making any sense? Yeah, it's

[00:20:11] Ryan: toxic. Yeah, it's, you're thinking is toxic. Your

[00:20:13] Maggie: relationship. Yeah, exactly. And you

[00:20:16] Ryan: can't have a not toxic relationship if you're thinking , [00:20:20] is also toxic.

[00:20:20] Maggie: Yeah, and if we take it back to food, because I feel like that makes more sense in my brain, , , We have the food, and then we have all of our thinking about it, and we think that the problem is the food, and we [00:20:30] need to include it this much, or include it that much, and we try to change a lot of stuff with the food, and with the planning, but we never change the thinking about it.

[00:20:37] Maggie: I have a mini course , in my program about food [00:20:40] freedom, and it is all about that. , It's not just about planning the food. So when people are just like, no, I've tried, I can't not overeat it. I would ask how many different [00:20:50] ways have you tried to rebuild the relationship with the food?

[00:20:53] Maggie: Because I know what you mean. You've told yourself you're only allowed to have one. You can only have one. Don't eat more than one. You're not allowed to have it. [00:21:00] I know the ways that you've tried to not overeat it They're all rooted in diet mentality. They're all things that drive up food noise not reduce it They're all based on rules

[00:21:08] Ryan: 99 percent of the general [00:21:10] population out there is exactly what you're explaining right now That's

[00:21:12] Maggie: how you try to not overeat it and then you just you don't realize that there's so much fuel Of the overeating Not coming from [00:21:20] the food or what it contains, but coming from your thoughts about the food.

[00:21:23] Maggie: And so when I talk about learning how to stop overeating, it has a lot less to do with the food and it has way more to do with your mind. So if you [00:21:30] haven't really spent a good amount of time being like, I have to rebuild this relationship, I have to question these old beliefs, I have to do some tests, I have to overeat it sometimes to learn, I have to undereat it [00:21:40] sometimes to learn, like, those are the things.

[00:21:42] Maggie: I don't think you've tried what I'm, what I propose is what I'm trying to say. That's how you burn fat with your brain. That's how you burn fat with your brain. That's what the whole premise of this podcast [00:21:50] has always been. It's yeah, I get that you want to lose weight, but stop trying to do it by changing every variable outside of yourself and realize.

[00:21:57] Maggie: much as we don't want to admit it, the call is coming from [00:22:00] inside the house. It's not. And of course we have the external pressures and all that stuff that everyone, and that's the thing. Everyone wants to focus on that right now. That's what I'm up [00:22:10] against right now is everyone believing it's all external or if it is internal, it's something internal that we don't have control over, like our hormones, like our hunger hormones, like our [00:22:20] genetics.

[00:22:21] Maggie: We're all focusing on things that are like out of our control or in our control in a way where we're just kind of like moving pieces around the dollhouse, we're just like, Oh, maybe if I put this right [00:22:30] here, maybe if I, instead of being like, Oh, it's my thinking about it. It's the story that I'm telling about this food.

[00:22:35] Maggie: It's the story that I'm telling about me, who I've been, how my mom [00:22:40] was. all this story that tells you I am the way I am because of all these things. And unfortunately, everything listed is out of my control. And so I get all this pushback because [00:22:50] I'm trying to empower people and show them what is in their control.

[00:22:52] Maggie: And for some reason people hate that.

[00:22:54] Ryan: I don't. It's responsibility is what it is.

[00:22:56] Maggie: Yeah. And we don't, you can utilize things that [00:23:00] help you without giving away all of your power and acting like you have no control. You know, does that, does that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm sure you guys get what I'm talking [00:23:10] about.

[00:23:10] Maggie: you can utilize things that help you without believing, and I really, really caution you to believe that any one thing is the answer to everything. So whatever [00:23:20] problems and struggles you've had with your weight, it's not only hormones. If your hormones on hormone testing show that there's a hormone issue, it's not only [00:23:30] genetics.

[00:23:30] Maggie: It's not only whatever everyone's saying it is, because people love to just sell the solution to be so simple, you know, that it's just like, Oh, [00:23:40] you just need this medication or you just need to get your estrogen balanced. You just need to do this. It's never just one thing.

[00:23:46] Yeah.

[00:23:47] Maggie: It's, it's a bunch of different things and it can include those things [00:23:50] as well.

[00:23:50] Maggie: But anytime we're like, this was the one singular thing that changed. Cause I know even with my clients, when we aren't, you, Utilizing or whether or not we're utilizing outside resources to [00:24:00] help, you have to change what you think and you have to change what you do. And too many people are just trying to change what they do.

[00:24:05] Maggie: That's what we're fed in the diet industry. What's missing is the mindset component's.

[00:24:09] Ryan: It's hard to, it's hard to convey [00:24:10] that to people who aren't even aware that it's a problem.

[00:24:13] Maggie: That's. That's my job. I have to help people. I mean, think of yourself

[00:24:16] Ryan: six or seven years ago. Did you know that was even a problem?

[00:24:19] Ryan: No, [00:24:20]

[00:24:20] Maggie: no, not at all. And I, I'm grateful for the, it's so dorky to say, because I know people always say this, like you go through like terrible things or like things that are really hard and you're like, I'm actually really glad I went through that because [00:24:30] it taught me a lot. It taught me That, I mean, I would say for a long time, even when I did keto, that was a really good example of changing the outward things [00:24:40] and believing there was one solution to my lifelong problems and being like, Oh, this fixes everything for me.

[00:24:46] Maggie: But it was so external. It was like, just change the things you eat. [00:24:50] Okay. And it got to a point where that was not working anymore. And there had to be something else, something out that was missing something. It wasn't just changing what I was [00:25:00] eating. It was realizing the mechanics of what was actually happening, what other changes had been made along the way.

[00:25:05] Maggie: Because I've discussed this a lot. I used to eat so much fast food. There were, there were many changes that [00:25:10] happened along this path. And yet my brain just credited it to one thing. This process is multifaceted. It's not just going to be, you change to an all meat diet [00:25:20] and suddenly. Everything changes and you don't have to do any work on your mindset.

[00:25:24] Maggie: Same thing with starting a GLP 1. I mean, I'm getting all those comments all the time. It's not just going to be [00:25:30] implementing one thing. There's going to be a combination of tools that you use that help change what you're doing, change what you're thinking, and possibly changing some biological [00:25:40] aspects of your body if needed or determined, you know, necessary by you and your doctor.

[00:25:45] Yeah,

[00:25:45] Maggie: What we would encourage you to do in 2025 is to [00:25:50] make sure that you are implementing some type of approach that is mindset first, because that work that you do on your mindset is actually going [00:26:00] to have a major, major effect on the things you decide to change because your thoughts are going to drive that.

[00:26:06] Maggie: And if you're coming from panicked thinking, if you're coming [00:26:10] from a lot of overwhelm and a lot of stress, that is going to drive the choices that you make and they may be frantic. They're going to be frantic. They're going to be panicked. They're going to feel like hopeless [00:26:20] it's going to, it's going to affect what you do.

[00:26:22] Maggie: So it's really important to make sure that you're implementing something like that. And, and that goes. I'm hoping this year to take that, [00:26:30] all of that deeper, especially within Vibe Club because sometimes I can even be surprised of, of people that are in Vibe Club and maybe who have even been in there for a while and how deep the [00:26:40] diet I mentality goes.

[00:26:41] Maggie: I'll just describe one quick conversation I had with someone where she was discussing how she didn't feel like she had hunger cues. This is a very common thing that I hear often. So if you relate to this, [00:26:50] you are definitely not alone. She said she didn't have hunger cues, but she knew she was overeating.

[00:26:54] Maggie: And I thought, okay, that's, I don't see how that's going to work. So I asked her, okay, if those signals aren't there, like you [00:27:00] believe they aren't there, how Do you know you're overeating? And her response was, well, based on the calorie calculating I'm doing in my head, and the amounts that I feel like I [00:27:10] should be eating.

[00:27:10] Maggie: This is happening with my clients as well. And what I'm trying to say when I bring this up is, there's a lot of work to be done. There is a lot of years to unwind. [00:27:20] And even with the best of intentions and being like, I'm in this space, I listen to the podcast, I'm even in your coaching program, I wish I could, what's that thing where you do things by [00:27:30] osmosis where you just kind of like put it like, there you go, you've absorbed what I know or you've absorbed everything.

[00:27:36] Maggie: That's just not how I can't think of how anything works. It's [00:27:40] just not something that can just be absorbed just because you may know the verbiage, you You may have listened to hundreds of coaching calls, hours and hours of content. It doesn't mean [00:27:50] that it's just going to apply to your life and just be like, apply.

[00:27:53] Maggie: There is work that has to be done. And you have to be willing to look at those diet thoughts and [00:28:00] realize, like I have to tell people so often, we got to get you out of your head. There's got to be a balance here because you are burning fat with your brain. There's a balance of doing the thought work, figuring out what [00:28:10] those diet thoughts are, examining those beliefs, and then getting to work and dropping from your head into your body.

[00:28:15] Maggie: And for those of you who feel like, I don't have hunger signals, I've tried intuitive eating before, which by the [00:28:20] way, is not what I teach. It has aspects of it within what I teach, but I'm not an intuitive eating coach. You have to know that there's going to be a balance there.

[00:28:28] Maggie: When I hear people tell me that they don't [00:28:30] have hunger cues or they have tried before to just listen to their body, but their body just want pizza, all of those things. I want you to know that when you're up in your brain and [00:28:40] there's so much diet noise and food noise and rules and regulations, it's like, You're never going to hear those hunger signals because your brain is screaming all the time.

[00:28:49] Maggie: So we have to [00:28:50] find the balance of doing the work on the brain, but not letting that turn into something that you're compulsively doing either, where now you're just having this constant back and forth and where you're trying to defeat your thinking all day long. We don't [00:29:00] want to be doing that either.

[00:29:01] Maggie: And so it gives us the opportunity to look at those thoughts, make a thought plan for the day, use the app the way that it, there's a reason why there's not a gazillion questions, get the information that you [00:29:10] need, and then Engage in your life. Be there. Listen to your body. Those hunger signals are there.

[00:29:15] Maggie: They have been ignored. They have been fasted through. They have been overeaten through. They have [00:29:20] been screamed from your brain through. There's all kinds of reasons why we can't hear it. It is rarely because they don't exist. They do exist. We've ignored them. And I mean ignore [00:29:30] them as in I don't give a shit that I'm hungry, and I don't give a shit that I've had enough.

[00:29:33] Maggie: Both of those things are going to affect it. And you're going to be so confused by all of the noise, that you're going to be like, I just never know [00:29:40] when I'm hungry. Or by the time I'm hungry, I'm starving. Yeah, that's because of years of fasting. Well, I just, I never hear when I've had enough. That's because of years of overeating.

[00:29:47] Maggie: That's it. There's nothing wrong with you. You're not [00:29:50] broken. You don't need some magical fix. You don't. There is some work that needs to be done though. And that's something you have to decide if this is the year that you want to do that because it is going to affect how your summer [00:30:00] goes and it is going to affect how your holidays go.

[00:30:02] Maggie: And overall, it's going to affect your mental wellness. It's going to affect how you feel. Just living your day to day life. We don't even need to talk about [00:30:10] special occasions. I mean, your husband decides he wants pizza for dinner. Does that cause you to go into a full blown panic?

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:17] Maggie: Because pizza wasn't on your plan?

[00:30:18] Yeah.

[00:30:19] Maggie: I say a [00:30:20] lot to members of Vibe Club, I'm like, when they have to make a pivot or some drama comes up, I'm like, the whole point of Vibe Club, I created it to work with your life. I didn't create it to work with your holidays. It [00:30:30] does, but I didn't, it's not like I didn't create it just for eating cookies.

[00:30:34] Maggie: Some of you were doing healing on carrots and apples and rice. Like, it's not just the [00:30:40] foods you would, I know you guys have all these foods on a scale where it's like the healthy foods and then the like, little bit high in carbs and then the terrible naughty foods. No, it's for all of your life. It's for when plans change.

[00:30:49] Maggie: [00:30:50] It's for when you want to feel a little bit more relaxed around food. It's for everything. Because I don't feel like food should be a cause for panic. I don't feel like mealtime should be a cause for [00:31:00] breakdowns and for guilt and for shame. It's a waste of your energy. So make sure moving into the new year, you're going in with a mindset first approach that's gonna drive the choices that you make, [00:31:10] the programs that you sign up for, the things you agree to do, and just stay, stay woke out there.

[00:31:15] Maggie: Okay. It's gonna be so super

[00:31:16] Ryan: noisy. It's so nice. It's so nice to be able to go on a 10 day [00:31:20] vacation over summer.

[00:31:20] Maggie: Mm-hmm .

[00:31:21] Ryan: And not overeat, but get to enjoy yourself and not stress about what's going, what's what, da a quote, unquote, damage you've done on on. And

[00:31:27] Maggie: what you're gonna have to do when you get home and how you're gonna have to.

[00:31:29] Ryan: [00:31:30] freeing and peaceful that feels.

[00:31:31] Maggie: That's the problem is the noise sucks the fun and the enjoyment out of your life. So there really is a reason to solve it, to like really get [00:31:40] underneath it, to solve it.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:41] Maggie: You know what I mean? I have a client who she, she commented on one of my Instagram Reels.

[00:31:46] Maggie: She was a one to one client. She has followed me, you know, [00:31:50] ever since the low carb llama days. She has been a client in Vibe Club. She's used a GLP 1. She's lost a hundred pounds. She left a really good comment. Should I read it? [00:32:00] Sure.

[00:32:00] Maggie: Because people love to Let me know that I've never talked to anybody who's ever used a GLP 1 before and I have no idea the struggles of anyone who has [00:32:10] weight problems, so let me just read you something from one of my clients. She said, if it's not keto police, it's something else. As someone who has followed Maggie for a long time and her program and use a GLP 1, you [00:32:20] have to get your head straight.

[00:32:21] Maggie: The food noise or whatever you call it needs to be dealt with and not just turned off. I have lost over a hundred pounds being on a GLP 1 but that is not my only tool. I [00:32:30] have never thought that Maggie hated on anything. I think she is supportive but also honest about what the downfalls can be. And that's, that's my stance.

[00:32:37] Maggie: That's one of my one to one clients that I mean, I, I [00:32:40] coached her four years ago when I had, when I was doing, when I only had my one to one practice. And the GLP 1 has been a huge help to her. But like she said, it's not just about turning [00:32:50] it off. It's about solving it and getting to the bottom of it. And you can do, it's, it's an and or an or.

[00:32:54] Maggie: You can do them together, or you can just do one or the other, or there, there's just many [00:33:00] option here. It isn't black and white. My thinking is not black and white. My stance on these new weight loss drugs is not. black and white. It's not something that I am against. Maybe you can cut this [00:33:10] and put it all over social media.

[00:33:11] If

[00:33:11] Maggie: people mistake my intensity sometimes for having like a strong opinion about what I'm talking about, like they just assume because of my intensity that I must be like [00:33:20] attacking everybody, which I'm not. And it's, it's hard to encourage people to get the full context of a 50 minute podcast. But make sure that whatever you decide, That you make sure that it's not your only [00:33:30] tool even if you have a plan like I'm starting a glp1 starting in January amazing I'm happy for you.

[00:33:35] Maggie: I assume that you came to that decision because you really feel like it's the right decision for you I think that's amazing [00:33:40] And I also still want to completely encourage you to make sure that you're doing the other work That you're that you are addressing the thoughts that are coming up because people can overeat through them People [00:33:50] get taken off of them for a variety of reasons.

[00:33:52] Maggie: Their insurance stops covering them. They stop being able to afford it. The side effects aren't worth it. There are plenty of reasons why it may not be the long term [00:34:00] solution that people think it is. And then for other people, they'll be on it till the day that they die. This is very, very important. very nuanced here.

[00:34:06] Maggie: , but that's what this podcast is about. , one last thing I want to say before we wrap up, I thought it was [00:34:10] funny, maybe not haha funny, but someone had left a comment, a Spotify comment, and she said that now it's even noisier. She had mentioned something about, The GLP 1 [00:34:20] like world now it's even more noisy in the diet world right now.

[00:34:23] Maggie: Are you going to pull it up?

[00:34:24] Ryan: See if I can find it.

[00:34:25] Ryan: Here we go. Someone said on Spotify, by the way, leave a comment on Spotify. I've been [00:34:30] so tempted to ask my doctor for a weight loss bed because I've said quote unquote food noise being so loud and just real feeling generally out of control and hopeless that I'll never lose the weight. So this episode [00:34:40] really resonated with me.

[00:34:40] Ryan: Unfortunately, social media has made it seem like Meds are the only option lately, which is another layer to already existing food noise. But this episode has inspired me to give it another shot and actually [00:34:50] work on my brain. Thank you for all you do.

[00:34:51] Maggie: Yeah. And I love that. And like, let's say you work on your brain for a while and you still decide that that's what you want to do.

[00:34:56] Maggie: That's fine. There's no shame in doing it either way. And I [00:35:00] know only the people who listen to this podcast are going to hear me fucking say that, you know, there is no shame either way. But I all, I kind of laughed when I was like, Oh no, that's even more noise because , now what [00:35:10] people see is I either count my calories or I go on a med and count my calories.

[00:35:14] Maggie: Like it's just, it's suddenly everything's being put into two categories again. It's like, and I know it's [00:35:20] not like a traditional

[00:35:20] Ryan: diet or I get on a GLP one.

[00:35:22] Maggie: Yeah, exactly.

[00:35:23] Ryan: Those are the two options.

[00:35:24] Maggie: Yeah. And there's just, I'm just out here saying there are other options. I'm not saying it. [00:35:30] that my option is going to be so easy that you don't have to put any work in.

[00:35:32] Maggie: I hate to break it to you. Calorie counting is not super easy either. Being on a weight loss med is not [00:35:40] super easy either. A lot of people are losing weight at the standard rate that weight loss works. There's going to be challenges with everything. You kind of have to ask yourself, what is my ultimate goal here?

[00:35:49] Maggie: And I work [00:35:50] with people where their ultimate goal is they want to live and eat healthy. like a just like a normal person that doesn't have weight problems. They want to enjoy their favorite foods. Because [00:36:00] what I would hate, and I see this happening sometimes even with people who take GLP 1s, the way that they, what they do while they're on their GLP 1, even once they get to their goal weight, they didn't really learn [00:36:10] to eat other foods.

[00:36:10] Maggie: They did it in a specific way where. you may get to the end of it and be like, Ooh, I still, once I'm off of this GLP 1, assuming you're someone who would come off of it, you still believe that these foods are [00:36:20] bad because you kind of use the GLP 1 to assist a calorie deficit that still had a bunch of rules around it.

[00:36:25] Maggie: So once you get off of it, the food fear is not gone. Like it's still there and , it's going to be [00:36:30] waiting for you. , there's a reason , to do the work. I speak as someone who has many clients. that are using these weight loss drugs that have or have used them in the past and we're like it [00:36:40] just wasn't it wasn't the answer it wasn't the end all be all answer that's important to keep in mind

[00:36:45] Maggie: if you want a really good way to enter the new year with a mindset first approach, knowing that you [00:36:50] can, you really can, eat the foods that you love, eat in a way that makes you feel good, reduce that food noise and all the screaming and the constant thinking and going back and forth in your [00:37:00] mind, that is what we're doing in Vibe Club.

[00:37:01] Maggie: Starting January 1st is when the challenge will start, but if I'm still open and it's January 6th, You're good. And that's a really good way to combat [00:37:10] your perfectionist mentality anyways. But just know that you're gonna be getting that added level of support, being able to get coached. Having a community, which is honestly, it's pro.

[00:37:18] Maggie: It's probably the most fun part about Vibe [00:37:20] Club is to just that like people get to know each other. I had someone that I coached two weeks ago and we've been constantly referencing her coaching call. Yeah. Because now she's embarking [00:37:30] on what we had coached on. And so people are checking in with her, asking her how she's doing.

[00:37:33] Maggie: Like it's It's a fun community to be part of. And there aren't these rigid black and white rules that encourage [00:37:40] perfectionism. We're trying to break down that shit in Vibe Club. So it's a great place to be

[00:37:44] Ryan: fun in the WhatsApp group. The dynamic has completely changed. It's way better. Wish we had done [00:37:50] this years ago.

[00:37:50] Maggie: Yeah. God help us with the technical issues we're having. Send good vibes. But you can join. Yeah. As of today, you can join by going to vibewithmaggie. com. We'll see you inside. [00:38:00] Everyone will give you a nice warm welcome and we will be doing 2025 differently the same way I've done 2024, 2023, 2022. [00:38:10] We're going to keep doing what we've been doing in Vibe Club and I'm going to keep helping women to overcome the years of dieting, all the diet rules, everything that's been ingrained in women.

[00:38:19] Maggie: [00:38:20] in you with diet culture, all of the food noise and help you reach your goals at the same time. That's what we're doing there. So join us. We can't wait. It's going to be an amazing year. All right, guys. See you next week.

[00:38:29] Ryan: [00:38:30] See ya.

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