"I Can't Listen to My Body... I'd Eat Everything!"

[00:00:00] Maggie: [00:00:10] Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Why We Overeat podcast.

[00:00:16] Ryan: Happy New Year. How's it going?

[00:00:18] Maggie: It's going good. Ready to Back in a [00:00:20] groove? Back in the groove. Yep. As much as you possibly can be.

[00:00:23] Ryan: We got today's episode idea from a meme.

[00:00:26] Maggie: Yeah, sometimes. Is that what you call them?

[00:00:28] Ryan: Is it a meme?

[00:00:28] Maggie: If they're just like, [00:00:30] um, you know, like graphic things with words.

[00:00:32] Maggie: It's meant to be like a joke. Let me see.

[00:00:34] Maggie: Let's see what the meme definition for meme is.

[00:00:37] Maggie: An image, video, piece of text, [00:00:40] typically humorous in nature that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight It's a meme. 100 percent it's a meme. Okay. So this is, and we don't even have it. We don't even have the real one. But it [00:00:50] inspired something that I think is going to help.

[00:00:52] Maggie: It's funny because I'm like, I think it's going to help this get to people who feel this, um, resistance to the type of, , things that I teach. But then I'm like, [00:01:00] those people probably aren't even listening to this podcast right now, but what the hell, you know? So the meme was basically saying, I don't know, like some type of professional person saying, just listen to your body or other [00:01:10] people saying, just listen to your body.

[00:01:11] Maggie: And then they're like my body, eat two bags of Oreos, drink a 12 pack of beer, Whatever some you guys get the point, right? They're basically saying [00:01:20] yeah that may work for you, but there's no way it's gonna work for me. Not with my body I can't listen to my body. I can't listen to my body And I thought that was really interesting because of course, I know there are things that I [00:01:30] am gonna say That it's gonna make people like immediately shut down And be like, not for me.

[00:01:36] Maggie: Nope. And I get that a lot. I get a lot of people being like, I tried that. [00:01:40] I mean, I've, I've, I've genuinely seen this within the last two weeks. I have seen people normally in Instagram stories being like, listen, I know that like listening [00:01:50] to your body and like intuitive eating types of, of losing weight like that may work for other people.

[00:01:55] Maggie: It does not work for me. I've tried that. , and. I want to talk today a [00:02:00] little bit about why, why that is, why you feel like it, that wouldn't work for me because I, I think everybody who comes into this work has that thought, of [00:02:10] course, why, how would you be able to live a life of dieting life of trying to lose weight and then suddenly someone says you need to learn to listen to your body and you're like, hold up.

[00:02:18] Maggie: My body is [00:02:20] what got me into this place. My eating habits, my listening to what I want, and let's, we're going to be very careful to distinguish what I'm saying. Listen to [00:02:30] your body versus listen to what I want. are not the same thing. They're coming from two different places. And I think that's where the mix up gets made.

[00:02:38] Maggie: , that when people hear, [00:02:40] listen to my body, they're like, absolutely not. And why is that? Because you don't trust your body. You don't trust it. So why would you listen to it? Why would you let your body call the shots? Why [00:02:50] would you let your body give you feedback that tells you what to do when you feel like your body has been against you your whole life?

[00:02:56] Maggie: So that's why I do discuss with my clients rebuilding that relationship with their [00:03:00] body, rebuilding that relationship with their hunger signals, because nobody trusts them. Nobody trusts their body. Nobody trusts their hunger signals. I have people just doubting all day long about what's the right amount?

[00:03:09] Maggie: And [00:03:10] what does this mean? And is this enough? And why is that? because of a lifetime of overriding those signals. Either really hearing clearly that your body is hungry and saying, Nope, you're not allowed to [00:03:20] eat. We don't eat till 2pm. Nope, we don't eat breakfast. Nope. So you're overriding hunger or your body has clearly had enough.

[00:03:26] Maggie: You have eaten enough food and you say, I don't care. I don't care that my body is saying [00:03:30] that I've had enough food and that I'm even stuffed even. I'm going to keep eating. And so it's the combination of that that leads to this major distrust with our body.

[00:03:38] Ryan: What's happening in this meme and [00:03:40] what so many people do is they're conflating, , hunger cues , and food noise.

[00:03:44] Maggie: Yes.

[00:03:45] Ryan: It's crazy how many people do that.

[00:03:47] Maggie: How

[00:03:48] Ryan: do you know if it's hunger cues and how do you know if it's [00:03:50] food noise? Are

[00:03:50] Maggie: you asking me that? Yeah. The way I teach it in my course is like legitimate physical hunger is going to start in your stomach and send signals to your brain that there's actually.

[00:03:59] Maggie: You [00:04:00] know, , hunger there, a need to eat.

[00:04:01] Maggie: You learn to listen to what does hunger feel like for me. A big thing we have to overcome a lot is people waiting, the way I refer to it in my course is like, waiting for [00:04:10] sirens instead of signals.

[00:04:11] Maggie: So when we talk about hunger signals, people aren't waiting for signals. They're waiting for the fucking siren. They're waiting for the, I'm going to pass out. I feel nauseous. Maybe now it's time to get some food because they're so used [00:04:20] to fasting and they're so used to putting off hunger. Because if I can put off hunger, then I'll eat less over the day, not knowing that that's totally driving overeating at night, which is crazy.

[00:04:28] Maggie: And it happens for most [00:04:30] people. We have to separate. what is the hunger signals from what is the food noise and the food noise is everything your brain is going to tell you that you want. It's going to be full of cravings, full of urges, [00:04:40] full of a bunch of noise about how much food you want to eat and how that sounds so yummy and you've done really well and you deserve a treat and it's been a long time since you've let yourself have chips so you're going to eat like that's different.

[00:04:49] Maggie: Learning to listen [00:04:50] to your body is completely the opposite of listening to your food noise. And so when I say learn to listen to your body, you think that means listening to your [00:05:00] brain and listening to everything that it's screaming and, and honoring. I think even, I'm not trying to talk shit on intuitive eating, like I do use aspects of that within my coaching, but, [00:05:10] um, one of the, the like 12 things they teach or something, I haven't read it for a while is, uh, honor your cravings.

[00:05:16] Maggie: And I think people are just like, fuck that, because [00:05:20] they're, with intuitive eating, there's a lot of structure missing. And that's why many people who've tried intuitive eating in the past, like the way that that book is written, really enjoy Vibe Club because I take some of those concepts, [00:05:30] but mix it in with a good amount of structure that a lot of people need.

[00:05:33] Maggie: Like it can't just be, I walk into the kitchen and I eat however I'm feeling based on that moment. We all know why that doesn't [00:05:40] work for most people. If you have a, uh, really bad emotional overeating problem that just doesn't work, at least right out the gate. It may work later on, but it's, it's where a lot of people go wrong.

[00:05:48] Maggie: The whole like honor my [00:05:50] cravings. People are like, what? And they think honor my cravings means eat my ass off of all of the naughty foods. And then they wonder why they just gained a bunch of weight. That's not [00:06:00] the same thing. We're talking about two completely different things and it's important that we define what it looks like to learn to listen to your body and learn to listen to those hunger [00:06:10] cues and learn to address the food noise in whatever way we need to.

[00:06:13] Maggie: Sometimes it's a matter of just allowing that noise to be there and being like, hey, we're doing something different. Sometimes you do need to address those thoughts, [00:06:20] but those thoughts come down more naturally the you get out of your head and into your body. And they are speaking two different languages, and there is a lack [00:06:30] of trust there.

[00:06:30] Maggie: And something that came up recently in the WhatsApp coaching is about, like, someone really frustrated saying they just, they're frustrated because they don't feel like they can trust their body. And that's it. [00:06:40] A example that seemed to resonate with a lot of people was . I just asked her, how do you rebuild trust in a broken relationship?

[00:06:48] Maggie: I know it sounds a little bit dramatic, [00:06:50] but I consider that the experience that we have with certain people in our life or our body, or like I'm talking people, places, or things, the experience we have with those, our perspective [00:07:00] of those is based on our thoughts about it. And the thoughts that we have about our bodies and dieting and losing weight really shows why there's a broken relationship.

[00:07:09] Maggie: And [00:07:10] in the same way that you would rebuild a relationship where trust has been broken, you have to do the same thing with your body. Like, how do you rebuild trust when it's been broken? Your body don't trust you and you don't trust your body. You know, [00:07:20] everybody is like apprehensive of each other and it comes down to beginning to listen and actually, like, fuck, honor your cravings, right?

[00:07:27] Maggie: Yeah. Which you can do as well, and you will do [00:07:30] as well, but like, Honor, what is my body actually asking for here? How can I learn to listen a little bit better? Because it goes on both sides. I have to really talk to people often about [00:07:40] how they don't feel like it's time to eat until they're starving.

[00:07:43] Maggie: They're so disconnected from their body. That the only thing that ends up getting their attention is this crazy hunger, not a [00:07:50] gentle hunger, a screaming hunger, and then they overeat because of that, because they let themselves get too hungry. So we have to work on having a relationship with your body where you're eating.

[00:07:59] Maggie: [00:08:00] when there's that gentle hunger. It's kind of like, have you ever heard, I've heard this in various different places, but like, it's really good if you have to use the bathroom to use the bathroom instead [00:08:10] of pushing it off, pushing it off. I'm too busy. That's one way that we override our body's needs. Our body is telling us, Hey, there's a need here.

[00:08:17] Maggie: The same way you would have a need for hunger to eat, to get some [00:08:20] fuel in your body. That's another way we override that. We're like, I'm in the middle of something, blah, blah, blah. It's, our body is giving the signals and we're saying, not now, stop. And I think that's interesting. So it's probably [00:08:30] something that a lot of you who push off hunger struggle with as well.

[00:08:32] Maggie: Like, I'm too busy for you right now, which you couldn't imagine is not the best way to create or rebuild a relationship with [00:08:40] Something or someone, but it really is the same thing. You rebuild trust by learning to listen, by slowing down, by honoring the [00:08:50] needs that are there, and then you come into more of harmony with your body.

[00:08:54] Maggie: You can't have a better relationship with your body. You can't learn to listen to your body while [00:09:00] simultaneously ignoring all of its needs. And be like, well, I don't know. I just don't trust myself. Why would you trust yourself? You've been ignoring and overwriting these signals your entire life.

[00:09:08] Ryan: What would be a [00:09:10] better way to phrase that meme?

[00:09:11] Ryan: Because it's, they're, they're misunderstanding it. It's like

[00:09:14] Maggie: They're not misunderstanding it. They're rephrasing it in their brain. Listen to your body is different than what they're [00:09:20] Claiming they're doing. Listen to your body does not mean listen to every urge for any type of food you ever want at any moment and eat as [00:09:30] much as you want of it.

[00:09:30] Maggie: It's the same way people conflate food freedom. Food freedom means overeat all the naughty foods. No, it doesn't. It's never meant that. , that's not how anyone is talking about [00:09:40] it, but it's the way we interpret it. I need to honor my cravings, which means it's good for me. I see people do this all the time.

[00:09:45] Maggie: They're like, well, I don't want to be too restrictive. So that is a reason to let yourself overeat [00:09:50] the pizza because you don't want to be too restrictive That's still not listening to your body. That's we are not talking about the same thing So yeah, it's a problem because of the way it's interpreted but it's not what people are saying and it's [00:10:00] not what people are meaning but the the meaning that people are giving it is If I'm supposed to walk around all day Listening to my body.

[00:10:06] Maggie: I'm gonna gain 20 pounds in the next month [00:10:10] That's not listening to your body, that's listening to the food noise, that's listening to all of the cravings and not having any, I don't want to say like control, [00:10:20] but not having, there's no intention behind that. There's no like decision, the way that I teach weight loss with decisions in advance and making those choices up front.

[00:10:28] Maggie: It's not just [00:10:30] on every whim, do whatever you want as much as you want. And I, so I can understand why people be like, Nope, not for me. Well, good. Not for me either. Cause that's not what I teach. And that's not what I mean. And that's not what [00:10:40] anybody means. And from going from a place where you're so restrictive and so like hyper focused on all these little details to, Oh, you don't have to do any of that.

[00:10:48] Maggie: Just listen to your body. If, [00:10:50] if, if the only advice there was a listen to your body, I wouldn't have a coaching program. That means something very specific and listen to your body is something that unfortunately we have to now relearn.

[00:10:59] Ryan: Why [00:11:00] is that? What happened?

[00:11:01] Maggie: Yeah, that's what I already discussed at length.

[00:11:04] Maggie: What happened is we got stuck into the dieting cycle where we were constantly overriding hunger and [00:11:10] fullness for one reason or another. You're either overriding hunger because you're trying to lose weight or you're stuck on the other end where you're overriding enough and fullness because there's emotional things [00:11:20] going on and reasons why you don't want to stop.

[00:11:21] Ryan: People get overweight because they're eating when they're not hungry.

[00:11:24] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:11:24] Ryan: They are using their brain as hunger cues.

[00:11:27] Maggie: Yeah, they're not listening to the thing that was [00:11:30] built inside us. I mean, we have small children. There's never, they never have any drama around like when they're done.

[00:11:36] Maggie: There's no like, Oh, is this enough? Is it like, no, that's [00:11:40] going to happen later on when the world gets to them. Hopefully not to the level that it got to all of us because they have us for parents. I'm hoping, but. Like, that is something that we aren't born with. That is [00:11:50] something that happens from being part of the world and getting to some point where all of a sudden we're like, Oh, I need to micromanage this.

[00:11:56] Maggie: I need to pay a lot of attention to this.

[00:11:58] Ryan: Have you noticed Holden lately [00:12:00] saying, he's like, I've been getting fuller faster.

[00:12:02] Maggie: Yeah. And anytime he says something like that, I'm like, that's a good thing to listen to. Or when he would eat and be like, Oh, I'm so full. And we'd have to be like, you know, it's, there have been [00:12:10] very gentle ways for it to come into conversation where we're like, okay, well, if you feel like that, if you're eating and you're feeling really sick when you're done, it normally means you're eating too much.

[00:12:17] Maggie: So you may want to like pay a little bit more attention to me. [00:12:20] And he just goes on his merry way. There's no drama about it. There's no overthinking about it. There's no, he's not trying to manage his weight. You never hear a kid being like, I can't trust my body. I'm full. I'm not [00:12:30] sure. Am I?

[00:12:31] Ryan: He doesn't have the drama built in of trying to manage his weight.

[00:12:33] Maggie: Yes.

[00:12:34] Ryan: Right? Yeah. It hasn't come yet. He's just trying to fuel his body and not get sick.

[00:12:38] Maggie: And for the most part, it's non [00:12:40] dramatic. It happens once every, in a blue moon where he's just like, yeah, I'm full. There's just, he, they're done when they're done. And then later on we start micromanaging it. We start, you know, feeling like [00:12:50] I need to eat less.

[00:12:50] Maggie: How do I eat less? I need to push off my first meal. And our body is clearly saying. When we're hungry, but because we're eating for emotional reasons, we have to compensate. So then we must start [00:13:00] ignoring the hunger because the hunger is what gets this whole show on the road. And then in time, after years, decades of this ignoring on one side or [00:13:10] the other, or both.

[00:13:11] Maggie: You are left with a relationship where you don't trust or even hear what your hunger signals are.

[00:13:17] Ryan: Yeah. I don't know if this is related. This may be completely off the [00:13:20] topic. Do you feel like people's food noise gets louder the later in the day it gets?

[00:13:25] Maggie: Um, I personally think that life gets quieter. [00:13:30] Oh. So I think it's more so an issue of, of anything you've been like repressing or not dealing with or distracted, all of a sudden there's just this moment, like for most [00:13:40] people, obviously everybody doesn't have the same schedule, but around dinnertime or after dinnertime when everything kind of settles and we're like, well, what do I do?

[00:13:45] Maggie: Because we're so used to just being constantly going, I feel like it has more of a chance to catch [00:13:50] up.

[00:13:50] Ryan: Oh, that's interesting.

[00:13:51] Maggie: Because I love when people are like, I don't know, all day it works just fine. And it's like, yeah, because you're busy. You're doing shit. You're engaged with other stuff. And it's easy to just let that [00:14:00] distraction.

[00:14:00] Maggie: And so like, yeah, a lot of us can and could get away with not eating for most of the day and then being like, Ooh, I've done so good today. And then we get home and things get quiet and we've got a full ass kitchen right in front of [00:14:10] us. And yeah,

[00:14:10] Ryan: suddenly you have no

[00:14:12] Maggie: self control, not realizing that a really big component to your overeating is your undereating.

[00:14:18] Maggie: That you can get away with because you're so [00:14:20] distracted and then it catches up with you and you're like, where did my willpower from the day go? It didn't. You just, you've got a little bit more time on your hands and things in your brain are able to get a little [00:14:30] louder. Some people struggle with that noise all throughout the day for sure.

[00:14:32] Maggie: But when you find you have a pretty easy time, like not eating for most of the day and like, Oh, I got away with eating just a small salad for lunch. And then you get home and you're like, I'm [00:14:40] ravenous now. Nothing changed. It's just, you need more food. It's

[00:14:43] Ryan: not even not eating during the day, it's, it's like, Oh, I've been so good during the day.

[00:14:46] Ryan: Even if they, Or

[00:14:47] Maggie: if, or they've been able to like, like they could follow their plan [00:14:50] really easily.

[00:14:50] Ryan: And then, and then life quiets down.

[00:14:52] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:14:52] Ryan: And then the food noise turns up. That's interesting.

[00:14:55] Maggie: Yeah, that's just, that's the way I see it. I'm sure there's exceptions and other reasons as well.

[00:14:59] Maggie: [00:15:00] That's just what I, what I see the most. A lot of people saying they do so good throughout the day or it's, that's like saying like, Does food noise turn up for people on the weekends? No, they're just completely out of their routine. [00:15:10] They don't know what the plan is. They're running kids around for sports.

[00:15:12] Maggie: Things don't look the same. There's more space. There's more options to make decisions on the fly because they're not in the [00:15:20] office for six hours. Like, no, it's just, it could be just a lack of distraction, a little bit more open space. There are gonna be times where if you're not dealing with that stuff [00:15:30] by kind of deconstructing the rules that you have around food, it's going to catch up with you.

[00:15:34] Maggie: You can only run from it for so long. Isn't that

[00:15:36] Ryan: kind of a telltale sign that it is food noise too, because you're, your brain is [00:15:40] occupied and then your brain is not occupied.

[00:15:41] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:15:42] Ryan: And so your brain is trying to occupy itself.

[00:15:44] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:15:45] Ryan: Weird.

[00:15:45] Maggie: Well, and it's going to go for what it's been trained to go for. So if that's something you've spent a lot of [00:15:50] time focusing on and, you know, prioritizing and obsessing about, you're just going to fall into old habits of, I think we all can relate to that, that feeling of being at night and being like, I've been so [00:16:00] good today.

[00:16:00] Maggie: I know, but I'm so hungry right now. I know, but I don't have anything on my plan and I shouldn't be eating right now if I want to lose weight. All of that being so loud and then eating or not eating. And then what does it mean for [00:16:10] tomorrow? And I can't keep doing this. And it just, Yeah, you have a lot of start over tomorrow.

[00:16:15] Maggie: It's a lot of drama. If you're not number one, like [00:16:20] adequately actually feeling yourself like that, you're not under eating. That's one of the first things that I talk about in my course of let's make sure it's not like you're the reason why you're overeating is because you're, you're under [00:16:30] eating all the time.

[00:16:30] Maggie: Let's get that out of the way. And then when you move beyond that, we're dealing with the emotional reasons why people are eating.

[00:16:35] Maggie: So yeah, don't get it twisted. Listen to your body. It does not mean follow every craving [00:16:40] that you have and eat with abandon. That's, that's not, it's not the same. But

[00:16:44] Ryan: everyone has it twisted.

[00:16:45] Maggie: Yeah. It's a, there's a really good chance that you don't [00:16:50] know, you don't have that connection like you had when you were a kid.

[00:16:52] Maggie: You don't have that connection to where, and that's okay. That's not a big deal. I mean, everybody who comes into vibe club, it's the same thing. It's like, Yeah. [00:17:00] It's they're going to be on some level of the spectrum where they like they don't hear their hunger signals at all. They hear them and they don't care and they override them.

[00:17:07] Maggie: There's always learning that has to be done [00:17:10] with how do I listen better? Most people are asking themselves other questions and they're not helpful questions when the real question is how do I make it easier to meet the [00:17:20] needs of my body? Because there is a repair going on here. We've done damage to our bodies and our minds in a sense with with all the shenanigans we've been through.

[00:17:28] Maggie: Pulled and all the times we [00:17:30] literally told our body, I don't give a fuck. I don't care that you want that. We have this event coming up, suck it up. Like there has to be that relationship has to be rebuilt. [00:17:40] And by that, I mean you have to kind of unearth the beliefs that you have that say that if you want to lose weight, you need to override your body.

[00:17:49] Maggie: Cause I feel like that's, [00:17:50] is that not the general consensus?

[00:17:51] Ryan: I've seen people say it online. Don't

[00:17:53] Maggie: do what you want. Don't eat the food you want. I've seen, I've seen

[00:17:56] Ryan: nutrition coaches, whatever you want to call them online, say that. They [00:18:00] literally say, in order to lose weight, you have to be willing to feel a little bit of hunger.

[00:18:03] Maggie: Yeah. Which isn't as quite as dramatic as what I said.

[00:18:06] Ryan: Okay.

[00:18:06] Maggie: But like, the belief that we have to be [00:18:10] starving, the belief that you don't get to eat food that you want, that you have to suffer, like, that's a big thing that I think people equate to. Weight loss is like, there has to be a lot of suffering. And so it makes sense that [00:18:20] if you're hungry, it's too bad.

[00:18:21] Maggie: If you want more, it's too bad. You need to go to bed starving. That's how you know it's working. And so it's deconstructing all of that. So it's not just about [00:18:30] weight loss. There is, there is, There's so much that's important that has to do with having a better relationship with like, I give my body what it needs.

[00:18:36] Maggie: If we stop and it feels like enough and then later on we need more, we [00:18:40] go get more. Like it's so much more of a loving relationship that we are doing many different types of work all at the same time. It's not just like weight loss at all costs. That's I've never, that's never [00:18:50] been my jam.

[00:18:50] Ryan: One last retort.

[00:18:51] Ryan: Is that a word?

[00:18:52] Maggie: I don't

[00:18:52] Ryan: think so. One last question. Maggie, learning to listen to my body again is so much harder than just tracking my calories. So why, why, [00:19:00] why should I even do that? Why should I? Why would you

[00:19:02] Maggie: even have a thought like learning how to listen to my, I don't even think that that's true.

[00:19:05] Maggie: First of all.

[00:19:06] Ryan: A lot of people do.

[00:19:07] Maggie: A lot of people think that it, then track calories [00:19:10] and lose your weight. Like if it's so much, if it's easier than do that, but why are you listening to this podcast? Why are you in Vibe Club? There's, there's some, like, there is going to be a challenge with any way you choose [00:19:20] to lose weight.

[00:19:20] Maggie: I think that the people who are drawn to me know that it, we have to, we're going beyond that. We're going beyond just like the weight loss. You, of course you can track your calories and lose weight. That's been proven time [00:19:30] and time and time again. I've never said that doesn't work. I've said I'm never going to do that and that it's not necessary.

[00:19:35] Maggie: You don't have to do that if you don't want to. If you think it's easy, rock on, go for it. [00:19:40] So many people are, who have been like, Thinking about retracting calories are gonna be like, Oh my God, that's not do whatever. I don't care. I don't care. I teach something that goes beyond losing [00:19:50] weight by calorie counting because I've seen plenty of people track their calories, lose their weight.

[00:19:54] Maggie: They're terrified of food. They lost all their weight, never eating food that they like. So as soon as they try to eat it, they're [00:20:00] overeating it. And then they know if I have to maintain this weight, I need to track my calories forever. That sounds like hell to me. I don't want to do that. I would hate that.

[00:20:08] Maggie: Therefore, I have [00:20:10] created another option where you don't have to do that. My option is not painless. My option is not workless. You have to do stuff. You have to deal with [00:20:20] discomfort. Same thing if you're going to do anything else. If you're going to track macros, that sounds annoying as shit too. What I teach is not just effortless results, but the work is worth it [00:20:30] because it translates to so many different areas of your life.

[00:20:33] Ryan: It translates to being able to maintain your weight. Yes. Really?

[00:20:36] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:20:37] Ryan: Because a lot of people have it in their mind. What happens to a lot of people [00:20:40] who track their calories and macros is the second they stop doing it, they start overeating.

[00:20:43] Maggie: Yes. And then that tells their brain, keep this weight, do this thing.

[00:20:48] Maggie: You must track your calories. [00:20:50] If you don't. You have no track record that you can trust yourself, so forever, what do you, what you have gained from your calorie counting weight loss is the belief, there's rarely an [00:21:00] exception to this, I really believe that, what you've learned is that this is the thing that keeps you in check.

[00:21:05] Maggie: So forever, you will need to be logging your shit somewhere and doing that [00:21:10] math and making sure that you're not overdoing it. That works for some people. I've seen plenty of people online that like they plan to track their calories till they die. I can't imagine doing that when I'm 72. So [00:21:20] I, there's gotta be some, there's gotta be some point where people say enough of this.

[00:21:24] Maggie: And I'd rather you do 30s or 40s than in your 70s or 80s, but it's up to everybody. I [00:21:30] think ever, I think that to jump to something where you're like, calorie counting is easier than learning to listen to my body. That is just telling half of the story. What you're telling me [00:21:40] is calorie counting gives me a bit more certainty.

[00:21:42] Maggie: It means that I don't have to trust myself, which is what everyone's trying to do. Don't know. I'm not going to listen to my body. I'm going to listen to this. This is certain. [00:21:50] And y'all are overeating through your calorie deficit too, so give me a fucking break. Like, it's just so funny the mental gymnastics that people will do, because what you'll do is you'll start a vibe club, and you'll be like, well, this is kind of [00:22:00] challenging.

[00:22:00] Maggie: I don't really know how to do this. I think I'm going to count calories. Well, this is kind of hard. I'm always overeating through the calorie deficit. I think I do want, well, wait, this is kind of hard, and then they [00:22:10] bounce back and forth.

[00:22:11] Ryan: Oh, we've, we've witnessed it.

[00:22:13] Maggie: We've witnessed it over and over and over again.

[00:22:15] Maggie: The fact is, no matter what you do, it's going to be challenging. That is true. I like [00:22:20] to think that the people who are attracted to my work know that there is a bigger reason for this. Yeah. It's not just about losing weight. It's about being able to go on vacations [00:22:30] with my family, plans changing for dinner, me being able to live the rest of my life with the right balance of foods that.

[00:22:37] Maggie: Maybe people wouldn't consider healthy, but I have no [00:22:40] drama about them.

[00:22:41] Ryan: It's about not gaining 20 pounds in November and December every year. Yeah,

[00:22:43] Maggie: like there are so many more reasons versus just like, well, this thing tells me exactly how to eat. Guess what? You don't need to know [00:22:50] exactly how many calories to eat because you're not even doing that.

[00:22:52] Maggie: You're overeating on that, we're not addressing any of the emotional aspect of that. You want to be able to follow the calorie calculation [00:23:00] like a robot. But you're not a robot, you're a human. And so it just, it doesn't take into account any of the emotional eating that you're doing. It doesn't solve that problem.

[00:23:07] Maggie: It gives you certainty up front.

[00:23:09] Ryan: And then [00:23:10] your humanness comes out. Not to mention like 80 percent of the people who do track calories just do it inaccurately anyways.

[00:23:16] Maggie: Yeah. Completely inaccurate. If it was so easy, everybody would be doing it and like it would just [00:23:20] be just like at some point someone decided that like in order to lose weight and keep it off, you just have to be adding up the food that you're eating all day every day.

[00:23:28] Maggie: What I mean

[00:23:28] Ryan: is the amount of posts I've [00:23:30] seen online and I'm in a lot of weight loss Facebook groups and subreddits, I'm eating 1200 calories a day for a month straight and I haven't lost a pound. It's just like. I see that so much.

[00:23:39] Maggie: Yeah. That's [00:23:40] why I don't, I don't, I don't see that stuff ever. And I love that for me.

[00:23:43] Maggie: I love that for me. I would, I'd rather be doing the work that I'm doing than arguing with people about, no, you're not eating 1200 calories because [00:23:50] the

[00:23:50] Ryan: way that the math works on what I'm saying is it speaks to your point of like, there's going to be work and it's going to be difficult no matter which route you choose.

[00:23:56] Maggie: Exactly. It's going to be just a different flavor. So if you like the flavor [00:24:00] of calorie counting. For reasons beyond that you think it gives you this certainty that maybe what I teach doesn't give you, I want you to find the certainty in [00:24:10] yourself. I don't want you to learn to find the certainty in the calorie calculations.

[00:24:13] Maggie: And that's what people think when they're getting something that's customized to them that tells them this is exactly how many carbs you eat. How [00:24:20] much easier could it be? And then they find out this is not easy at all because I have a human brain and I don't want to eat it. egg whites. And I don't want to eat this much [00:24:30] protein.

[00:24:30] Maggie: It's making me sick. I don't want to eat 200 grams of protein in a day. Do you, you know, do whatever works for you, but don't tell yourself half of the story So that you can [00:24:40] keep bopping around from thing to thing because this thing's hard, but this thing's hard This thing's they're all gonna be challenging Because they're all gonna have to try to help you to eat less and that is hard But it's not [00:24:50] hard because you don't have the right calorie calculation.

[00:24:51] Maggie: It's hard because you have You just don't have a good relationship with your body. You don't know how to listen to that. It's hard because you have [00:25:00] emotions that are overwhelming you. It's hard because you have used food as a coping mechanism for 40 years. That's why it's not hard because someone didn't say 1596.

[00:25:07] Maggie: That's it. That's all you need to know. [00:25:10] 1596 calories. That's all you need.

[00:25:12] Ryan: Here's the thing. My fitness pal will never teach you how to not eat when you're not hungry.

[00:25:18] Maggie: No.

[00:25:18] Ryan: It will never teach you that.

[00:25:19] Maggie: [00:25:20] And it, like, it, oh, another thing people were talking about in Vibe Club was like, there are some days when I'm a little more hungry and there are some days when I'm not as hungry.

[00:25:26] Maggie: I always say, like, your body is the best calorie counter. Like, it's doing a [00:25:30] great job measuring your energy expenditure and adjusting your hunger signals based on that. With MyFitnessPal, it's just like, you have 1596 calories a day. figure it out. I'm starving today. [00:25:40] I don't even, do I keep eating to, Oh, I still have some calories.

[00:25:43] Maggie: You're not hungry at all, but you have 300 calories left. So go eat those calories. You're not listening to your body. You're listening to my fitness pal. I still have some calories left. [00:25:50] Then you have another day when you're starving. I can't eat anymore. My fitness pal told me I can't, I can't have any more.

[00:25:54] Maggie: I'm out of calories. I'm a hundred

[00:25:55] Ryan: under the classic pattern. What people do when they count calories, classic pattern is [00:26:00] they bank their calories for nighttime when they know they have their urges. So they'll. You know, fast all day

[00:26:05] Maggie: or save them for the weekend because 3, 500 calories will help you lose weight.

[00:26:08] Maggie: Like I just, I [00:26:10] can't you guys, I can't. That's

[00:26:11] Ryan: what it just, it makes you like succumb to diet mentality so much easier. Because you do these weird things where you only eat 300 [00:26:20] calories until 5 p. m.

[00:26:21] Maggie: And then it allows you to eat in a way where you're like, I'm eating till I'm stuffed by underfueling. Like, it's just, it is what it is.

[00:26:28] Maggie: If you want to do those shenanigans for the rest of your [00:26:30] life, like, I'm not going to stop you. I just, what I knew for myself is I'm never going to weigh out my food on a food scale. I'm never going to do this math. I'm never going to do it. And then [00:26:40] when I found out you didn't have to, I'm like, oh hell yeah, that's, that's perfect for me.

[00:26:44] Maggie: I, I won't. I would never. And I'm glad that you don't have to. And I'm glad that for some people, if it works perfectly for [00:26:50] them, they probably aren't listening to this podcast because there's no issues with it. It just, it works. Makes things cut and dry for their brain. They don't care. They're fine eating boring food.

[00:26:58] Maggie: They're fine baking calories [00:27:00] for birthdays. I just, that makes me feel like I'm an AI. alien.

[00:27:04] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:27:04] Maggie: And I want to be a human that like has life and doesn't feel restricted by [00:27:10] calorie math or spood scales.

[00:27:11] Ryan: This went to a calorie counting rant. I am. Let's wrap it up. Vibe Club is open not for much longer.

[00:27:18] Maggie: We're going to leave it open through [00:27:20] Monday. Is that what you said?

[00:27:20] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:27:21] Maggie: So if you're hearing this episode, and then, and then it's going to be closed for a couple months, I'm being dead ass with you guys. And I. There's never, I know this is going to sound like I am a car salesman right now, but there's never been a better [00:27:30] time to join Vibe Club because of the WhatsApp support.

[00:27:33] Maggie: I don't know what else to say. We've always had my course, you know, we've, we've added my app a year ago. There is so [00:27:40] many amazing resources and of course, ongoing coaching calls and Q and A's and coaching from WhatsApp group has taken it to such a higher [00:27:50] level of being able to coach. And like, I can't tell you how well it works with my brain.

[00:27:54] Maggie: In my personal brain doesn't work any better than like, what are the needs? What do you guys have questions about? How can I turn this into [00:28:00] instant content? I'm not sitting down and writing notes. I'm not doing outlines. I'm like, okay, she's having it like, it's just, it's just so, it works so good for my brain [00:28:10] and, and it just works well for the way that we're delivering coaching and answering questions, um, quickly and, and providing content.

[00:28:17] Ryan: Let me tell you why it's better for the members of Vibe [00:28:20] Club. You are so much more connected to the community than we were in Facebook.

[00:28:23] Maggie: Yeah. We went to the coaches.

[00:28:25] Ryan: It's, it's a million times better than the Facebook group.

[00:28:27] Maggie: Maybe two million.

[00:28:28] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, [00:28:30] people are in the accountability are posting pictures of the food they're leaving on their plate because they ate too enough.

[00:28:35] Maggie: Yeah.

[00:28:35] Ryan: And, and. It's been my favorite trend so far. It's Yeah. It's so cool. [00:28:40] That was not happening on Facebook. All kinds of stuff just like that. That like, it's, I mean, every day, like there's winds

[00:28:46] Maggie: coming in at all times. It's like people are,

[00:28:48] Ryan: you want to know this is possible. Look, [00:28:50] yeah, look here. I'm not, I'm

[00:28:51] Maggie: not blowing smoke.

[00:28:52] Maggie: Like I, I really do think there's never with the combination of everything we already offer and the app and the WhatsApp support community. I [00:29:00] mean, it's just the price point is I should raise the price. Honestly, I really, really should, based on the value, and I'm not going to, but I'm going to tell you that it is [00:29:10] worth your time, it is worth your investment, and I have no doubt that everybody can reach their goals based on the resources that are available and the support that's available, no doubt at all.

[00:29:19] Ryan: It's pretty crazy what we've [00:29:20] built over the past couple of years. It is crazy. With the app and everything. Because you think about

[00:29:22] Maggie: the way that it's all just built on each other, and it's like features, and like There's

[00:29:26] Ryan: nothing like it. Uh uh. Not that I've found.

[00:29:28] Maggie: Mm mm.

[00:29:28] Ryan: No. There's so much content. You just [00:29:30] have to use it.

[00:29:30] Maggie: Yeah. And that's what we need to work on a little better. You guys, we need to work on

[00:29:33] Ryan: because we can lead you to the water, but we can't make you drink. Exactly.

[00:29:36] Maggie: There's so many resources. But if you, if you treat it like a literal [00:29:40] personal coaching program where you're like, I'm here, I'm going to get what I need.

[00:29:43] Maggie: I'm not going to just get stuck in insight mode, which there will be content coming specifically for you guys in vibe club around that. [00:29:50] Um, getting, you know, taking the information that you are getting and using it and applying it to better yourself and better your process and make it more juicy for you is like, There's [00:30:00] no reason why that can't be done.

[00:30:01] Maggie: Why you can't hit every goal that you have because the support is unmatched. And I love the community. Everyone just like gets along really well too and just supports each other. And it's pretty no, it's just [00:30:10] like pretty low drama. Yeah.

[00:30:11] Ryan: Zero

[00:30:11] Maggie: drama. There wouldn't, that's not, wouldn't be tolerated anyways.

[00:30:14] Maggie: Um, yeah, the vibe is, the vibe is right in Vibe Club. So make sure you get in there, otherwise you're going to be [00:30:20] getting in there closer to summer and it's just, you don't want to wait. And we're not going to be having as many openings this year as we've had in the past. It just is what it is. Last year, we had quite a few openings.

[00:30:27] Maggie: So um, go to vibewithmaggie. [00:30:30] com to join and we'll see you inside. Don't worry about getting into the challenge late. It doesn't matter. It's helping so many people because they're really, really focusing on [00:30:40] using the tools, learning things, getting support. I just asked the other day, what are you guys learning when you're doing these curiosity forums?

[00:30:46] Maggie: And, People wrote what they were learning and just like I promised on this podcast, just like I told [00:30:50] you guys I would do, we were going to address what comes up and how you're implementing it and coach you on that. And that's exactly what we're able to do in the, in the WhatsApp group. It's just, I love the delivery of [00:31:00] information and the delivery of coaching back.

[00:31:03] Maggie: Best place to be. Cool. All right. See you guys next week. See you later.

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